UNBELIEVABLE: TB Joshua, Oyakhilome Clash Over Abortion. Who Do You Believe?

From ages, the issue of abortion has generated divergent views from different people across the world. And it seems this controversy is not precluded from the religious circle.
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 Prophet T.B Joshua

According to internationally famous Nigerian prophet T.B. Joshua, anyone who commits an abortion after a rape incident has committed a double sin.

The cleric, who made this known during a Questions and Answers session with his followers on Facebook recently, believes one should accept his or her fate no matter the situation he or she finds himself or herself.

See his full answer below:

Photo: TB Joshua says abortion after rape is a double sin

Pastor T.B. Joshua is respected both by Nigerian and foreign politicians and celebrities. Among his latest predictions is the unfortunate disappearance of Malaysian plane.

Only some weeks back, Pastor ChrisOyakhilome had said it is not an easy decision to make on whether or not to keep a pregnancy that results from a rape incident, saying that only victims know what they are going through.

In order to buttress his point, the respected cleric said there is no where in the Bible that is mentioned to keep a child from a woman who was raped.

Here is his post:

The question now is whom to agree with. Is it Pastor Chris or TB Joshua?

 

Source: Vanguard

72 COMMENTS

  1. I strong support Pastor Chris because the pains and agony she goes through all the days of her life including the born child. It is better abortion than keeping the child. The child and mother will remain sad and unhappy all their days. He who wears shoes knows where it huts
    The relationship between Bathsheba and King David did not begin well, but she later became his loyal wife and mother of King Solomon, the wisest ruler of Israel. Read the Article below. God took the son Bethsheba bore to David because God knows the future that it will be truamatic.

    David forced Bathsheba to commit adultery with him while her husband, Uriah the Hittite, was away at war. When she became pregnant, David tried to trick Uriah into sleeping with her so it would look like the child was Uriah’s. Uriah refused. David then plotted to have Uriah sent to the front lines of battle and abandoned by his fellow soldiers; Uriah was killed by the enemy. After Bathsheba finished mourning Uriah, David took her for his wife. But David’s actions displeased God, and the baby born to Bathsheba died.

    Bathsheba bore David other sons, most notably Solomon. God so loved Solomon that Nathan the prophet called him Jedidiah, which means “beloved of Jehovah.”

    Bathsheba’s Accomplishments:

    Bathsheba was a faithful wife to David.

    She was especially loyal to her son Solomon, making sure he followed David as king, even though Solomon was not David’s firstborn son.

  2. I strong support Pastor Chris because the pains and agony she goes through all the days of her life including the born child. It is better abortion than keeping the child. The child and mother will remain sad and unhappy all their days. He who wears shoes knows where it huts. God took the child born by Bethsheba to David because He knows the future will be traumatic. I think Bethsheba was raped by David.

    The relationship between Bathsheba and King David did not begin well, but she later became his loyal wife and mother of King Solomon, the wisest ruler of Israel.

    David forced Bathsheba to commit adultery with him while her husband, Uriah the Hittite, was away at war. When she became pregnant, David tried to trick Uriah into sleeping with her so it would look like the child was Uriah’s. Uriah refused. David then plotted to have Uriah sent to the front lines of battle and abandoned by his fellow soldiers; Uriah was killed by the enemy. After Bathsheba finished mourning Uriah, David took her for his wife. But David’s actions displeased God, and the baby born to Bathsheba died.

    Bathsheba bore David other sons, most notably Solomon. God so loved Solomon that Nathan the prophet called him Jedidiah, which means “beloved of Jehovah.”

    Bathsheba’s Accomplishments:

    Bathsheba was a faithful wife to David.

    She was especially loyal to her son Solomon, making sure he followed David as king, even though Solomon was not David’s firstborn son.

    • @Peculiar Jude Melody
      I am ashamed of people like you, please do not come here to deceive innocent people if you are a killer why not continue killing till the judgement day, please if you have nothing to contribute just shut the f*ck up
      do not drop more comment here again else!!!

  3. Dont justify sin. To abort the child is means to kill the child by your hands. In the case of Basheba, God took away the child, not that they aborted the child.
    ALL MURDERERS SHALL HAVE THEIR PART IN THE LAKE WHICH BURNETH WITH FIRE AND BRIMSTONE (Revelation 21:8; 1Corinthians 6:9, Revelation 2:11)

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  4. Dont justify sin. To abort the child means to kill the child by your hands. In the case of Basheba, God took away the child, not that they aborted the child.
    ALL MURDERERS SHALL HAVE THEIR PART IN THE LAKE WHICH BURNETH WITH FIRE AND BRIMSTONE (Revelation 21:8; 1Corinthians 6:9, Revelation 2:11)

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    • What is the difference between killing and abortion? God knew what would have happened to the child Bethseba gave to David and took him away likewise the raped mother knew what pains and danger awaits her in future if she leaves the child. It’s a matter of choice here. It’s thing of the mind here that is why everyman/woman should/must be persuaded in his own heart about a particluar issue. We own ourselves happiness and peace of mind.

      • @Joseph
        please leave God out of that issue, deceivers… why not think straight and say the truth, is it good to abort? straight question, answer it… why should you abort? no reason please no matter what devil may tell you, do not do it period..you may suffer to bring the child up and finally the child will make you proud and may be the next savior of the world, so please if you have no good contribution do not post here again else!!!!

  5. This is a critical issue. You can see this two great men of God on the opposite. In my own opinion, aborting the innocent child wont help a bit. It might only end up complicating issues for d victim. In times lyk dat, God is the only counsellor one can get. This idea of aborting the baby would come from an unbeliever (which could be one without a genuine faith). A believer can always hold on to his God irrespective of the situatn.

    • @ Omovie
      you are right but I want you to know that it is not every advise you should take from anyone who is called Minister of God, you will only take advise that is directly referencing the word of God, which is do not commit abortion no matter the situation period!! I don’t even know why this person post thing kind of confused thing online to confuse innocent unbelievers or baby Christians who can easily be deceived. because everyone know that abortion is not good so why are you using Ministers of God to front this confusion? please you people should stop posting this kind of article that can not teach people anything, instead to destroy them, this is my wise advise, Emmanuel God is with us!!!

  6. Pastor Chris has said it all. The bible is our school master and yardstick. The child and mother will remain unhappy and voilent all through and become vagabond to not only themselves but to the family and society at large. The trauma she will go through all the days of her life including the born child not knowing her father is a big stigma. Even that Bethsheba knew David raped her, the child still died to prevent so many agonies It is better abortion than keeping the child. He who feels it knows it. God took the child born by Bethsheba to David because He knows the future will be traumatic. It is only God that is the ultimate judge so “Let every man be fully persuaded in his/her mind. Romans 14:5

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    • @Vicky,
      I know that if your mother see your post see will be very ashamed of you
      she suffered and give birth to you without aborting you, look at you here supporting people to go and do abortion, please repent and be a real born again not born wuruwuru, I pray that God will open your eyes, but stop deceiving innocent people please, do not drop more comment here else I will !!

    • vicky u are using Gods word against him be careful how u interpret d bible just bcos u want 2 justify ur action. 4rm d place u quote hw many times hv u been persuaded to bear d reproach of Christ even wen d flesh doesnt coorperate or is it only applied 2 justify murder

  7. There is nothing to clach on abortion is not good anybody that commit abortion commited a great sin against GOD ALMIGHTY GOD should punish any man that rape an innocent girl.

  8. T.B Joshua has said it all. we need to be wise with they way some men of God are turning things offside down. Thou shall not kill Chris

  9. Those who are supporting abortion are evil minded! They tend to justify evil with their own evil feelings without considering how God feels! Your maker says: thou shall not kill. Who are you to say otherwise? Pls let’s be careful so dat, sodom and ghomorah will not be better!

  10. Pastor TB Joshua is right,Pastor Chris should not mislead the followers of God just because he want a large crould to make money.

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  12. What is the difference between killing and abortion? God knew what would have happened to the child Bethseba gave to David and took him away likewise the raped mother knew what pains and danger awaits her in future if she leaves the child. It’s a matter of choice here. It’s thing of the mind here that is why everyman/woman should/must be persuaded in his own heart about a particluar issue. We own ourselves happiness and peace of mind.

  13. No human standard or doctrine can change the word of God, pastor christ adviced 4rm human standard, while Tb joshua stands on d Word.So on no circumstand should u kill (exodus 20:13, Rev.21:8) let God kill d child if he(God)is nt pleased wt him/her…don’t be decieved…(09091650499)

  14. Most gatherings, in the name of Jesus Christ, have bcm social gatherings. Only God will judge. The day is at hand. So BEWARE!

  15. Pastor Iyke, If ones wife is rapped would he keep the child? There is a time and season for everything under heaven? Be sincere with yourself because some people preach some messages until it happens to them. Yes Bible says we should not kill but the same bible says we should be wise too. God has given us choices that will make us happy. If the woman feels that aborting the child will make her happy fine if not let everyone be pesuaded in his own mind like Vickky and Kate suggested. It is easier said than done. Anyway May God not allow us encounter such challenge.

    • @ Abiodun Isaac
      please do not drop more comment here again because you are senseless, why not continue with your killing project which I know you are doing for sure and your are trying to justify your wickedness, at the same time you want to mislead people, well no one can even listen to people like you because I know you must be a none entity, beat me if you can..EWU!!

  16. Rape is bad, abortion is bad.
    In any ways, the products of bad is bad. The result of evil can never be good. Since it happend that way, we must obey the command of God, thou shall not kill. (obedience is better than sacrifice) 1 samuel 15; 22, 23
    Obbedience is butler than sacrifice.

  17. I support T.B joshua that was exactly what david did when he fell in love with that man he order his commandant of his army to sent to war front so that he will be killed and then he could get married to his beautiful wife when the man was eventually killed david get married to the woman and get her pregnant what happen to the child please my people live vengeance for God.

  18. The word of God condemns abortion no matter the situation.God said He maketh all things(including rape) to work for the good of His children..there is no place in the bible that says a child born out of rape is illegitimate before God.God has never said u should kill a child whatsoever..Its this pride and ego that will make one to want to commit abortion becos of so called “spirikoko”..They dont consider the glory of God,but their self doctrines full of pretense..The LORD will faithfull be a Father to that child,all u have to do is to commit and dedicate the child to God.amen

  19. Ale,
    You are contradicting yourself. Pastor Chris is right because David killed God forgave him God killed the child for reasons best known to Him as the Almighty God. Whether kill of abortion is still the same. Let the woman be wife and use her sense to judge and God who sees the heart of everyone will forgive like he forgave David and others.
    Yes it is God that avenges for everyone. A raped woman. no one can judge except God
    Either Joshua or Chris may be right if it pleases God.

  20. PASTOR TB JOSHUA has said it all.
    Most christians today only listen to and follow only what their men God whether misleading or not. Some don’t even know the TEN commandments. No situation guarrantee a man to take a life and abortion is taking of life.

  21. well in such a divicolt case we must know that what you give to the public as a title and high position holder may cause inrepairable damage to those that believe in you as a teacher of faith.if we say that the child sould be abot which means killing the child, why not advice the victim to kill herself with the seed in her, or if i may ask,is they any among them without spirit, soul and body?,note, every soul shall stand before God to answer about thier life on eath, what do you thing in this case that the suol which you did not give him or her the aportunity to live will tell God about you and how do you thing you will escape the anger of God after the child statment, becarfull not to act acording to the pain but the comanment, thou shall not kill.bether lean to assept every thing God do because even christ came through such direction, min you, the angel did not marie mary,but joseph, but the angel rape mary,what if the child was abord. becarfull that you don’t kill the best give from God.

  22. All we re concern is who to support. Did any of us see d post of both prophet. Besides d post were not visible. We should all b careful about wot we say concern Gods anointed.

  23. We take from the word and not from man remember that God’s word says He uses the foolish things to confront the wise; keeping a child after being raped is very foolish but remember the later and also bear with me that abortion is a form of killing and thou shall not kill. Let God remain true and every man be a liar.

  24. We take from the word and not from man remember that God’s word says He uses the foolish things to confront the wise; keeping a child after being raped is very foolish to do but remember the later and also bear with me that abortion is a form of killing and thou shall not kill. Let God remain true and every man be a liar.

  25. Beloveth! the contest are wonderful one.Thanks be to GOD Father of all flesh, full of wisdom and riches in compassion n loved…l will like us to remember the birth of ur lord jesus how it happen,then GOD him self speaketh to Joseph what to do,so should incase such an evil may happen because we are really leaven in evil world today”it may be inside or outside us never decide on ur own, take it to thy lord in prayer…GOD who knows the numbers of the hear of ur head will surely take care of the situations,can any one able to number the hears of his or her head?non! He’s GOD he kills n gave lifes,turn sorrow to joyfuness,bitterness to sweeten..king David n BathshebaBut while men slept his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat,and went his way-29-But he said,Nay;lest while ye gather up the tares,ye root up also the wheat with them.please if u know what people are going true for sake of haven no child,, abortion will not be the right solution..i know a woman was kick out of her matrimonia home for childless six years..later she met with a man and she got pregnant to the suprise issue the man run away,only for her to carried her cross alone she got notting after a week she gave birth she was dopt on the street with the new born baby without cloth on the child, and it was winter i took her inn.that’s live paying a great price to be a mother and woman,and the LORD will see every womem under violent and abused true…I pleaded to every woman, be U under age, young,and old do not aborted the child, rather voice out to GOD and human and the good GOD will send helper to ur way..To whom it may concern..JESUS CARE n LOVED.AMEN.SHALOM.

  26. I agree with TB Joshua, bcos even the Bible stand against abortion, some of those pastors are taken away by the world, they are not doing things in the Bible..

  27. It is prophet T.B.J all d way, I so much love nd respect dat great man of God,no matter d circumstance surrounding d pregnancy u have no right wat so ever 2 kill dat unborn precious gitf,so I support prophet T.B.J.

  28. i had all your contributions now everyone should listen very carefully ,, No woman will allow any rape to happen to her without accepting to have the fun first, instead she will put her life in betting, ”KILL ME I WILL NOT OPEN MY LEGS FOR YOU” , but she just opened her legs and had the fun in the name of raping , so this simply means that she loves her life more than everything but she want to take someone’s life. So people of Chris tell me, a woman was given two options ‘DEATH AND RAPE’ choose one ,,, and she choosed Rape.
    ,, it shows that she loves sex so much and she don’t want to die,,,, then she should be ready to keep all the results in the pregnancy or after the pregnancy, failure to do this, then she will be send to psychiatric hospital for mental check up , if she’s okay , then she will visit kirikiri to see how that place look like. please my fellow Christians stop deceiving innocent young Christians and stop calling that a RAPE , is just enjoyment, yes she enjoyed it, if not so, she could have ask them to kill her as the same as if she would have wanted to abort the baby…..Finally, if you love your life, someone else where loves his or her own life too, if u can’t keep the baby then tell them to kill you first before enjoying the sex,, that will be better. I don’t want to call names but whoever that supports abortion for one reason or the other can as well take your life or even abort u from existing on earth if you’re inconvenience to him for one reason or the other if he has the power as u will have over the baby ,,, yes is a matter of decision , when he decides ur gone,,,, so be very careful ….

  29. I strongly support prophet t b josua because he spoke in spritual way while pastor chris spoke to pleased d word attraction

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  31. Thou shall not Kill. All you are just after is to satisfy you self and people around you remember the commandments of God oh. I simply agree with prophet TB Joshua. May God bless you themore amen.

  32. Am @ ur bak papa,emmanuel,I agree wit u TB joshua,any 1 dat commite abortion has killed a genaration.bcos we ar 1 generation,has abraham his.
    Always b ur daugter

  33. Am @ ur bak papa,emmanuel,I agree wit u TB joshua,any 1 dat commite abortion has killed a genaration.bcos we ar 1 generation,has abraham his.
    Always b ur daugter

  34. Abortion! what does the word of God say , it simply says DO NOT KILL . Aborting means killing check, the ten commandmants which were given to Moses . It doesnt say if you are raped or not raped but dnt kill . God almighty is firm on this one.

  35. Abortion! what does the word of God say , it simply says DO NOT KILL . Aborting means killing, check the ten commandmants which were given to Moses . It doesnt say if you are raped or not raped but dnt kill . God almighty is firm on this one.

  36. senior prophet T.B.JOSHUA is 100% correct. the bible made us to understand that in this world there is pain (tribulation). if we die in pain with right standing with God, we may enjoy eternal life; but if we die in Sin because we want to avoid pain, we jeopardized our SOUL. so, a child born out of rape has not committed any death deserving offense. the child should live, because JESUS came for SINNERS like us, and those who are born out of rape. i give more 100 + 5% to the ANOINTED man of GOD PROPHET T.B.JOSHUA for His accuracy in things of the SPIRIT.

  37. If u concetrate only on the victim part.what do u have to say on the suspect rapist?.to my own view,both men of God are all correct.becouse one is on the victim side and the other on both side.(chris).u have to focus on the cause of it than the victim.the victim does give or yeild herself just in the case of prostitude.

  38. Both of them are right Firstly child of rape is a LEGITIMATE child if she want. But undoubtedly the rape of a pious woman by am evil enemy is a strong for her and her family to have an abortion befor 41 days. For she will hate this foetus,the result of this stigma attach and she will to get she of it. So this concession is to be given because necessity, especialy in the first days of the pregnancy. Sorry that’s Islam on abortion.

  39. Christ… Nowadays christianity surprises me, men are now the standard for judging right and wrong and no longer the bible. Go back to your bible and find out if abortion(deliberate taking of another life) for whatever reason is acceptable by God.

  40. Any one supporting pastor chris on this issue must surly go to hell. Hw on earth can a christian say abortion is okay if u ve been raped. May God ve mercies on us all.

  41. It is this same called pastor Chris oyakhilome that told his followers that Masturbation is
    not sin against God. He has come again to use his devilish spirit to tell Christians that
    pregnancy which come from rape can be aborted if the woman wants. This man does not
    know God at all. By the way who gives life?, is it not God that gives life and soul/spirit to
    human life whether the child is a victim of rape or not?. If it is true that God gives life to
    any human being whether the person’s pregnancy is through rape or not, why should any
    body advice a woman to abort it if she fells uncomfortable or not. The question here is: Does
    anything takes God unaware, does anyone come into this world without God’s knowledge?.
    This same man is being accused by his wife of committing adultery. Is there any evidence
    to prove that he(Chris oyakh.) did not do it if he can boldly advice women who got pregnant
    through rape to abort the baby?. Yet he calls himself man of God, which god is he serving?. I
    pity those that listens to him, they are on their own. Who knows how many women he has
    impregnated and ask them to abort it?. Because both children that come through adultery and
    rape are bastards, but God did not ask anyone to kill them by abortion. Oyakhilome should stop
    all this his wrong and stupid teachings. I love the teaching of the Catholic Church because, their
    leaders can not misquote God’s mind.

  42. We are talking of abortion, not just ordinary from intimate relationship, but talk about someone been raped from gangsters. Additionally, Making the child bastard…
    Come to think of it, pastor Chris is 100% correct. Is a choice..

  43. This is not a question of who is right or wrong btw the two of them but what does the bible say. In the law of Moses, their is punishment for whoever cause an unborn baby to suffer or die. This shows that there is recognition for the unborn baby with God. The psalmist said before I was conceived,God had known him. So with these we can say that God recognizes the unborn baby. The only case of rape in the bible(David children) was not said to have yielded any product, so we could not have use that as a guide. What if rape would result in a sickle cell child or other problems, that is why I would say as part of treatment for the victim, the womb should be floushed.

  44. None of this tow clergy are wrong,TB Joshua is perfecly right,pst chris also right when he said there’s no where it’s writen in the bible to abort,it is absolutely the choice of the lady involved,so technically the both of them are saying the same thing.

  45. Most people are just talking about killing, abortion and real man of God. What about rape, pain, innocent girl, memory, dignity. from most of your statement you are passing judgement. people are not looking at the whole picture: the girl has a choice, she is not a slave to circumstances, it is up to her to make the choice because she is the one who went through the sad experience.

  46. It is simple, thou shall not kill. The same God that took the life of the child of David is the same God that let the child of rape live. There is a reason for everything. I’m in support of no abortion. Killing is killing, whether murder, manslaughter or abortion. Don’t judge from a human point of view, judge from what God has said. If u say the child will bring hardship, how do u know? It could be a blessing in disguise. You can’t see the future so leave it for God. A child due to rape is still a child and could even become a president. Some people commented and said it’s your choice because of the pain you’re passing through. Let me ask you a question an armed robber or a kidnapper are they not doing it due 2 circumstances? Is it right? No. So why will you say because of your circumstance you wan to kill another person (the child, another soul.) In the name of abortion. You are talking about choice Adam and Eve were given choices right? They ate of the tree of good and knowledge of evil and were banished from the garden till date we are still suffering from that so do the right thing and not what you think is right. Again I strongly say it is not right to abort the child no matter what. God knows best that is why the child is alive. If the child will bring suffering God will take away the child not you just like in the case of David. Don’t support T.B joshua or pastor Chris because he is your pastor or for any reason support the truth and the truth here is what T.B Joshua has said.

  47. I wont join issues or make judgemental evaluation but lets research d Bible a bit to try research when d foetus became a living soul.It stated somewhere that GOD breathed on man and man became a living soul..Now when a child is born africans or indeed most cultures do not yet rejoice until d child takes a breathe or d same Divine Breathe and then cries out.Then everyone rejoices and praises GOD and in igboland d women then praise GOD by chanting Huuuuruuu uruuu huuuru uuuuuru! This is real.If d child never breathes in or cries nurses hold it upside down briefly, taps it gently on d back and it breathes and cries out and celebrations galore ensues.I wont make judgement… U draw ur conclusion honestly

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